They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. This is not new information, I have always known about this since I was a small child, my family has always spoke about it, we always wondered why the Irish themselves did not voice it more, was it to securely assimilate into the other parts of white culture, they have done just that, not sure if it is secure or not, but sometimes you wont know if someone is Irish unless you ask them. Id not opt to tell a modern day slave (servant?) O'Connor is a surname of Irish origin. They include Ardagh, Athy, Bray, Kelly, Sutton, and a few others. Thank you. I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. While it at various stages was almost certainly used as an insult, the term "Black Irish" has emerged in recent times as a virtual badge of honor among some descendants of immigrants. 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If you notice, there is nothing said at all about color in the constitution concerning slaves. No need to compare the two as slavery in any form or fashion is wrongno matter to what extent it was practiced. Your email address will not be published. My entire family ancestry is from the island of Montserrat. Daly 25. British politician, writer, and broadcaster Bryan Magee is one of the most well-known Magees. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. A brief history the movements of Celts across Europe. The english continued to try to extinguish the Irish through starvation, oppression etc in Ireland. The Snow Hawk, burthen 140 tons, with her apparel boats, *apprentices*, etc., will be sold by publick auction on Monday next, at twelve oclock in the morning at the Market House in Belfast.. 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? And the traditional double-standard was upheld even there, because as long as it was circumspect and everyone turned a blind eye, it was still common, un-punished behavior for White males to rape or copulate with African females, but a blasphemous abomination for a white woman to voluntarily have relations with an African man, and could result in death for both. 7. All Irish were given English translated names and forced to use them. It was also used in Ireland by Catholics in Ulster Province as a derogatory term to describe the Protestant Planters. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. This was about 14% of all the recorded Blake's in USA. They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. Cathal OByrne As I Roved Out: A Book of The North. Irish slaves. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. #DoesntAddUp. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Sell whatever lies you like, but if you think the Irish were not deeply involved in some of the fiercest fighting of The Civil War (for both sides), then why would any other opinion you hold be deemed worthy of merit? The native Irish spoke Gaelic. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. everyone in my family has Irish last names and when looking at my family tree, the ones who are listed as mulattoes in my family have no father listed, but have their mother listed as negro. [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . There is a book called White Cargo. Did you have some knowledge of your name already? Cole Continued. And you never were shipped anywhere. Irish were indentured servants, never slaves. Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. I totally agree with you that all Irish were not slaves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. The subject of Irish slavery is not spoken about too much. Smith 6. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. Probably. Also: When did the law stop saying that one drop of Irish blood could give people the legal right to kill, segregate, or abuse you? They didnt want to go to war on behalf of the African American, well thats what they thought it was about,, even though we all know that the civil war wasnt about the liberation of the black slaves. Interesting write up Eddie McFields. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! Conclusion: With regard to the article. Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. Debating its distinctions is appalling and only has in place in academia and never in culture or politics. After the end of the atlantic slave trade ended in the early 19th century, breeding was encouraged, and more fertile women were preferred over non birthing prolific women. They were dispised, were not allowed practice thier own religion, keep their own gaelic name, Own any kind of property, and denied the use of thier own language. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. One of the most famous Wilsons is actor Owen Wilson, as well as 28th president of the United States Woodrow Wilson. There were no Irish slaves in what is now America. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. It would be the same with people. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. I have been enjoying ancestry. Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. But, are we talking about African slavery? As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. Are the Australian Aborigines to be categorized in this same way although, willingly or unwillingly, they didnt participate in the same slave trade and share no (at least within the past several thousand years) common history with the African Blacks? Smh. O'Carroll 23. Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. You are full of hate just as the Brits have planned, well done you have fallen for the divide and just by giving us the label of white you are empowering us. A third article A total of 455,000 Africans out of 12.5 million were brought to America from the 17th century till it stopped in 1820. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. 2. And it is entirely possible that they formed families with the native peoples there, or when the slaves were finally freed by England in the English colonies of the West Indies, in the 1830s, with them and that could be how so many African Americans have Irish surnames. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved. Also, what is the point if making a caste system of victims. You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. go and watch the black irish of monsaretti they are proud of there irish hertiage and know that there ancsters were from ireland and africa. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. But this should not turn into a contest of who had it worst. My last name is Shanks n I just learned from my dad that iam part Irish. Well my last name is carmickle. One man and two kids made it. The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. * Originally published 2013. Whether the stereotype is based on truth or not, I have no personal knowledge. Collins Irish spelling: Coilein British Penal Code offenders, Irish Rebels and, the destitute hardly have the power to enter into voluntary servitude (whether some poor actually did or not), it would be like calling your dog a voluntary pet. Horrific story, and the things the Irish went through shouldnt be forgotten. (skip gates, wanda sykes, all have traced their roots to irish women who paired up with african men.). There were NO WHITE OR IRISH SLAVES IN THE US. This is what we know today as the Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Saharan slave trades. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them. Ive called for sources supporting the article although I am not entirely in disagreement with it, Ive provided a source on Irish indentured *slaves in this discussion that doesnt fit with your narrative of voluntary service. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. Well never know for sure. Wilson 27. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. McLoughlin 22. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. McCarthy is one of the most popular surnames in County Cork. I am a history teacher and Id like to provide my students with good primary and secondary sources. Full history, EXPLAINED. Politicians and ad writers do it daily. At the time the Irish were indentured or enslaved or some similar term, the Irish were not yet categorized as white but as just Irish. Read How the Irish became white. Then also read The Invention of the White Race., Good information and horrible pass but good to know and tell others about it, This is absolutely fascinating. Its effect with regard to the subject of slavery on a whole only minimizes the atrocities of slavery and bigotry. Theres no question that the Irish werent treated very well. They were owned by an Irish family. Please describe discrimination that you personally face everyday? Black Surname Meaning Black is a Scottish surname primarily. Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. Irish whiskey producer Black Irish has agreed to rebrand and sell its name to singer Mariah Carey's cream liqueur brand following a two-year legal battle. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. [8]The Black Male Incarceration Problem is Real and Catastrophic Huffington Post. Moore is another of the most popular Irish names. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. Slavery is a terrible condition to place on people. Widespread and woven into many different cultures around the globe, Irish surnames are ever-present today. On this issue, as often happens, the ignorant aspirants to house nigguh status are still carrying water for the masters. There were no Jim Crow laws restricting Irish. I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. Their names would have been familiar enough to any English masters. Just as some Black werent slaves, but that is neither representative of the story of American slavery or their lot I would suspect. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. However, let me respond. Thanks for sharing. Its usually done to earn money for the commissary or to pay back a debt to the person they committed the crime on. Omg. Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. @My Creole Belle You are a perfect example of exactly why the oppressed Irish and blacks never came together and united against their common oppressors; because the oppressors (the ruling class of white racists) loved nothing more than to play the lesser races off against each other. The slave trade was/is not a race issue, its a humanitarian one. This historical issue is clearly more complicated than most people give it credit for being. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Donohue Irish. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. Only problem how did the irish slaves keep their names. O'Reilly 12. Gallagher 15. [], We took slaves too, St Patrick was a slave! I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. Was there a negative view of the non romanized world, by the nations of that empire? Did you assume the Irish always spoke English? Remember England was also enslaved by the Romans. Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. Love Irish history? Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. Thats what I was going to ask. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. This interesting name, with variant forms, Duffie, MacDuffie, McFee, McPhee, D'Duffie and O'Duhig, is an Anglicization of the ancient Gaelic personal name "Mac Dhubhshith" a compound of elements, "mac" meaning "son of" plus "dubh", "black" and . What is White? we live beside the english and have been treated badly for a long time. How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. Im reading these blogs and Im thinking to my self, what does this article have to do with irish slaves? So while many where likely shipped to the new colonies and the West Indies, it was likely as indentured servants, not slaves. or any other colour or race, you just needed to be POOR. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. But still many commentators, and even thought our recent political history, make topics like these into racial issues. Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC. the ira was formed so we could have more rights. Interesting read. I watch an old Irish movie years ago and when the old lady washing her clothes in a pan was cursing someone saying what the rass cloth,. No.. this is skipped when you learn about politics and English/Irish relationships (IRA was very active at that time), but actually more understandable if only 100yrs before centuries of abuse were stopped.. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. Famous Kennedys include 35th president of the United States John F. Kennedy and his family. Sullivan is the 92nd most popular surname in the United States and the third most common surname in Ireland . I get so tired of hearing about these damn Edomites (ie the Irish) and how they have suffered. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. Actress Meg Donnelly and Declan Donnelly, one half of the comedy duo Ant and Dec, are two famous bearers of the name Donnelly. GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. Another part of history that is not covered in our history books. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. The Irish have, throughout history been very cruel to African Americans so let them the many of them wear the title of red neck like it is their badge of honor. Groups of the French invaders landed on Irish shores, bringing with them new customs and characteristics to native Irish people and Irelands culture. It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? We highlight the most inspiring experiences Ireland has to offer. They account for a lot of the Irish sounding names in the south, whether they were Scots names, or co opted Irish names, they do not belong to the Irish family system. American football quarterback Tom Brady is the most famous person with the name Brady. Required fields are marked *. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." It did not begin that way even for Blacks/Africans. What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. & why St.Patricks day is arguably one of the most celebrated holidays on the island. Famous McDermotts include actors Dylan McDermott and Charlie McDermott. The Healy familiar is a wonderful exemplar. Africans were *things*. I met this white Irish woman she said we were labeled as the mean black Irish. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. Thanks for this fascinating post. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? Rihanna was also bullied for her lighter skin. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. The Scottish Picts and Celts certainly had darker skins than the invading Anglo-Saxons who may have given them that nickname. Healy Hall. good reply. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh is one of the most famous people by the surname Kavanagh. Blacks where all over the world. Endentured servitude is not some made up concept, as this article implies, it was a legal term with legal and Biblical limitations. This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. When did the Irish get declared human? This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. Originating from France, the Normans were a primitive, powerful group of fighters who were first welcomed to the Emerald Isle, led by Dermot McMurrough, a king of Leinster (one of the islands four provinces) in Ireland.