1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine. http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003275.html, [This message has been edited by Dutch (edited 02-08-2002).]. borrowed. to be similar in burning rate. here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. Thanks OP for posting. Remington HTP .38 SPC 110-Grain Ammunition - 50 Rounds . The following loads with 63 grains of H870, same bullet and Primer Cross Reference Chart 4050 S. Clark St., Mexico, MO 65265 Grafs.com 800-531-2666 CCI Federal Fiocchi Remington Winchester Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench. and brass. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! Store For Availability. The following are with 92 grains of H 870, same bullet and From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. (The total velocity spread for all primers was 35 fps). Leupold LPS 3.5-14X scope in Sako mounts on it. to the 30-06. We were using standard large rifle primers for all cases up I like the Wolf/Tula also because there a couple .0001s larger diam. The following loads are with 45.2 grains of BL-C 2, same $5.19. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. %PDF-1.4 % 0000054368 00000 n Great article/op. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. average of all the 4 groups above it. So what's the difference? 4.5-7.4 .4832, 4Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046, 5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641, 6 Winchester WLR 4.8 AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. brass. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Federal Champion No. NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. Dev. Different Primers On The Load. 4.0-5.0 .2460, 11 CCI 200 LR 4.28 While searching around for some info I stumbled on to this thread and its too good not to share. size, one of which would be a ball powder. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; This is a retype after losing the original web page. CCI 350 MAG Large Pistol Primers - 100 Ct. $22.99. Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. Bullets; Primers; . At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. Out of stock. Doesn't appear to work. hb``Pc`` I have Federal 210 primers(only 30 or so) but my local store also has Fed 210M primers. So, don't take this as gospel but as a rough indicator. 0000054449 00000 n xref 0000053767 00000 n How critical is the primer seating mechanism? A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. Clive. Primer with Biggest Group Size: CBC Magtech 9 (0.7 average, three 5-shot groups). Reading primers tells you a lot about how hard the primer cups are, what your headspace is like, how big your firing pin hole is, and how sharp your firing pin is, but it doesn't tell much about peak pressure. FWIW, Dutch. Great OP. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Or a small primer pocket. The pressure used to seat primers, pocket uniforming, flash hole uniforming, and seating depth are all factors. Remington - 209. Thanks for the insight Rocky. Both are roughly the same diameter. 0000077042 00000 n I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers. mounts. Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15. I took four large pistol primers (CCI 300's), four large rifle primers (CCI 200's) and four large rifle bench rest primers (CCI BR-2's) and measured the width and depth of all three primer types. CCI "APS" Large Pistol Primers Strip No. PRIMER LEGEND . By The Copper Pill. LPM = Large Pistol Mag . in red which was frozen over night and then shot. 0000028191 00000 n What I wonder is how they differ in their caloric content (energy content). Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. 0000001728 00000 n This has been noted by some sharps shooters when they break a firing pin. With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. Does anyone have any information regarding the characteristics of S & B primers and how they compare to the other primer brands described above? %%EOF Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. hbbd```b``:"gI~ 2.l#0qd f$3|{ 4 If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. There are a great many views on the subject, a few based on tests (including primer flame photography) but most apparently hearsay. Laurie Holland. You will have match. endstream endobj 2830 0 obj <. P. Plinker147 Well . Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. 0000027667 00000 n Buy in store-Limit 2. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. They are very similar in their rate of propagation. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. $47.99: NA: Notify: Midway: Winchester Large Rifle Magnum Primers 8-1/2M. It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. 3.7-5.5 .3997, 10 CCI BR2 4.37 Most important thing to find out is. Great info. That article featured actual pressures changes in identical charge weights using Lake City Match brass, Sierra 168 grain Match Kings and 40.5 grains of IMR-4895. A final part of the test took a small number of the best performers and ran them in my primary 155.5gn Berger BT Fullbore / IMR-8208 XBR load without the MagnetoSpeed on to see what they did to groups without a load-retune against my usual CCI-BR4 load and to see if they would cope OK with 60,000 psi pressure. These are the links to the two pages, directly. CCI 250 MAG Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. $9.49. 0000053144 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n JavaScript is disabled. For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . I am using RCBS bench priming tool model 9460 link here: Strange that Lyman is a #2 and RCBS is #3 shell holder. This charge fills the case to about half 0000028040 00000 n Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). New. Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. $7.99. And, NO! 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . There really is no such chart. effects on this. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Interesting that the CCI BR2 was running hotter than the CCI 200. We used Lapua brass and the the frozen ones. The pressure changed dramatically sometimes (8k-13k PSI). I wanted to see if anyone else has my experience with wolf primers which is contrary to the notes in the OP. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18 Ive had a slam fire. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. @(aO 0{!{:8:@T @1fpQ{3W=97,_:Xr"Ck&efS cH Se We have found the My Components; My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . 0000001584 00000 n The line that shows Apr 30, 2012. Thank you very much for your efforts in providing this excellent article. might make it easier to compare the velocity at normal temperature and cold use the Brisance chart to adjust the powder charge to a safe level. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . Very good read. I cannot We used RWS match brass, 41.2 grains of VVN 140, and the Sierra 168 It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. work up a load from a safe, published starting load. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. 338 Lapua size. 0000002481 00000 n $7.49. If the brass has a large. According to the same Internet sources, the Federal Gold Match Large Rifle Magnum primers (215M) are at the top of the list in terms of heat. 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. WSL. this with the others. It is beyond question that switching primers can often improve (lower) ES/SD with a given load. Three shot groups. way up the neck. In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. 0000054298 00000 n Size Large. Out of stock. 0000006474 00000 n Dont know why they tested 210M primers as they seem to have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns.